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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:53am
 
Dave wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:38am:
CJT-80 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:32am:
Today 02/03/11 the website STILL has the 0844 number listed! Either the Surgery is till having a subsidised telephone system, or it has NO idea expensive 0844 numbers can be, or they are just plain stupid.

I wonder if a local user of the Dr's could kindly inform them? As it seems they have no e-mail address.

Which surgery are you referring to?



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Edit: Using the URL at the bottom of the site, I contacted Kent and Medway Health Informatics Service and informed them the Surgeries number had changed.

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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2011 at 8:52pm
 
Dr_Singh wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 12:10pm:
To move away from the 0844 Number back to a local number  Get in touch with […]

I hope that Dr Singh will return and post about his experience. It would be good to hear from GPs, and they are most welcome to post.

This might help others who are looking for a replacement to their system which uses a 084 number or simply those who are looking for a new phone system.

They are more than welcome to discuss the providers used, but we can't have spam messages which are no more than adverts for phone providers. For this reason I have removed the postings from Dr Singh.
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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #17 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 3:26pm
 
CJT-80 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:53am:
Dave wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:38am:
CJT-80 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2011 at 11:32am:
Today 02/03/11 the website STILL has the 0844 number listed! Either the Surgery is till having a subsidised telephone system, or it has NO idea expensive 0844 numbers can be, or they are just plain stupid.

I wonder if a local user of the Dr's could kindly inform them? As it seems they have no e-mail address.

Which surgery are you referring to?



Appologies http://www.thelimessurgery.nhs.uk/welcome/

Edit: Using the URL at the bottom of the site, I contacted Kent and Medway Health Informatics Service and informed them the Surgeries number had changed.




Today I have an e-mail from Kent and Medway Health Informatics Service who inform me the number has now been updated - Having just checked now , it has Smiley
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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #18 - Jul 5th, 2011 at 7:37am
 
Hi Everybody,

I have received a response from Dan Jarvis the MP for Barnsley Central, at present he appears to be fighting our corner, I urge members to please contact him in regard to the use of 0845/0844 numbers used in both Doctors surgeries and the DWP I know there are members that have been pursuing Doctors Surgeries in the past but it may just be worth putting our view across again.

Can members please forward details of any surgery or DWP department that is using 084 numbers to

JARVIS, Dan [mailto:dan.jarvis.mp@parliament.uk]
Sent: 04 July 2011 22:18
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Subject: FW: 0845 Numbers-Your e-mail to Dan Jarvis MP


Please see his reply

Dear Mr Ramsbottom,

Thank you for your emails regarding the use of 0845 numbers for both the NHS and government departments. This is an important issue which effects people throughout Barnsley.

As you have quite rightly pointed out, the use of 0845/ 0844 numbers in GP surgeries should now be unheard of. In 2009, the Labour government decided to take steps to ensure that patients were not saddled with the costs of 0844/0845 numbers when booking appointments, ordering repeat prescriptions etc. Under the National Health Service Regulations (2010), surgeries were required to take a number of steps to ensure that patients are not charged more than the cost to a geographical rate number; this came into effect on 1st April this year. If a surgery has taken all possible steps to review existing contracts and they are unable to terminate the contract, they should take steps to ensure that patients are still not charged anymore, for example, setting up a call back system. If you have had any experience to the contrary of this, please let me know.

With regards to Government departments, progress on this front has been rather slower. You may be interested to know that the HMRC appeared before the Treasury Select Committee earlier this year and they have now established a review of their current 0845 numbers. DWP has also been under scrutiny as you will know from your involvement in the saynoto0870 campaign.

As requested, I will keep you updated of any progress which is made on these campaigns and please do let me know if I can help you with this, or any other matter.

Best wishes

Dan

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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #19 - Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:55pm
 
Saxonbury House Medical Centre has now changed from 0844 477 3045 to 01892 603131. This number is advised on the website and in a recording on the 0844 number.

http://www.saxonburyhousesurgery.co.uk/


Derby Road Health Centre in Nottingham, having previously given a 0115 number on its website alongside the 0844 number has finally dropped its 0844 number in favour of 0115 only.

http://www.drhc.org.uk/contact-us


Cassidy Medical Centre has also switched from 0844 to 020:

http://www.cassidymedicalcentre.co.uk/


Islington Medical Centre lists its 0844 number on NHS Choices, but 020 number on its own website. The 0844 is answered identically to the 020 number:

www.islingtoncentralmedicalcentre.org


Aveley Medical Centre in South Ockendon has also switched from 0844 to 01708. The former redirects to the latter.
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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #20 - Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:11am
 
Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:55pm:
Derby Road Health Centre in Nottingham, having previously given a 0115 number on its website alongside the 0844 number has finally dropped its 0844 number in favour of 0115 only.
http://www.drhc.org.uk/contact-us

The 0844 number is still shown on NHS Choices and appears on the website for "out of hours" calls.

This looks like a case where a surgery has published its own direct number, but still has the out of hours switching configured at the exchange on the 0844 number. It may warrant investigation!

Both Derby Road and Islington Central remain on my database - the others were not included in the most recent refresh from NHS Choices. (With 1,372 live entries to worry about, I do not keep a list of removals, nor investigate the timing or circumstances.)

On the subject of "Surgeries saying no ..." - this may be of interest.
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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #21 - Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:42pm
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:11am:
Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:55pm:
Derby Road Health Centre in Nottingham, having previously given a 0115 number on its website alongside the 0844 number has finally dropped its 0844 number in favour of 0115 only.
http://www.drhc.org.uk/contact-us

The 0844 number is still shown on NHS Choices and appears on the website for "out of hours" calls.

This looks like a case where a surgery has published its own direct number, but still has the out of hours switching configured at the exchange on the 0844 number. It may warrant investigation!

This is the sort of nonsense I would expect from a certain surgery telephone system provider. 0115 837 is an Opal Telecom (TalkTalk Business) block.

This surgery published its geographic number (0115 973 8810) previously on its website alongside the 0844 number. This is the number that the 0844 477 3096 and 0115 837 7987 direct calls to after the introductory message followed by hold music (and then the recording on 973 8810).

To clarify, this system operates the way in which most of these do:

Ring 0844 number; call is answered "Welcome to such and such a surgery." Some then have an extra message, like this one which advises dialling 999 for a medical emergency and that the busiest time is 8am to 10am. It then says "Please wait while we connect you connect you to the surgery." Then you get the hold music followed by
"You are now connected to such and such a surgery." …


The bit in blue is on the local number that terminates at the surgery (0115 973 8810 in this case) which tells us that it is at that point that what the caller hears is played out by equipment at the surgery.
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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #22 - Jul 9th, 2011 at 12:13am
 
Dave wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 6:42pm:
SilentCallsVictim wrote on Jul 8th, 2011 at 4:11am:
Dave wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 8:55pm:
Derby Road Health Centre in Nottingham, having previously given a 0115 number on its website alongside the 0844 number has finally dropped its 0844 number in favour of 0115 only.
http://www.drhc.org.uk/contact-us

The 0844 number is still shown on NHS Choices and appears on the website for "out of hours" calls.

This looks like a case where a surgery has published its own direct number, but still has the out of hours switching configured at the exchange on the 0844 number. It may warrant investigation!

This is the sort of nonsense I would expect from a certain surgery telephone system provider.

Indeed, there is a lot of rubbish on this site!

Having made one suggestion that was shown to be ridiculous by information not available to me when I proposed it, let me attempt another.

It would seem from what is published above, and from further investigation, that 0115 837 7987 does appear to operate in exactly the same way as the 0844 number. Some of the information published on the website is indeed untrue, as calling 0115 973 8810 gives access to the out of hours routing (and this can be accessed by dialling 0115 837 9787). The website suggests that the latter number is only for daytime use and the 0844 number should be used when calling "out of hours".

I had not done this test when previously making an allegedly nonsensical suggestion based on what the surgery says. I had also failed to recognise that the earlier posting was referring to two different 0115 numbers.

The website states that calling 0115 837 7987 will give engaged tone if more than 10 callers are queuing and that the 10 call queue is due to "more virtual lines". If this is also untrue, because it should refer to 0115 973 8810 (which previously appeared on the website, perhaps above the same text), then we have a case where a 0115 number is doing everything that a 0844 number can do. This suggestion is supported by information from the website, not previously highlighted:
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New Telephone Number
Don't forget our new telephone number for those wishing to call us on a 0115 number is 0115 8377987. The 0844 number will also remain functional for the time being.

If this is so, then we can dismiss any suggestion that only non-geographic numbers can provide network-based queuing. Some may wish to take this further to suggest that all geographic numbers offer the same facilities as non-geographic numbers. One could then go further still by saying that because no GP surgery needs the benefit of geographic anonymity, there is no purpose in suggesting that a 03 number could offer any benefit to a GP.

At the risk of being accused of promoting the interests of the telephone industry, I will state that I do not agree with the final conclusion of the preceding paragraph. The logic of the paragraph is flawed. I do not expect those who cannot see the flaw to share my view. I will continue to promote migration to 03 as the natural solution for NHS GPs with systems that depend on network waiting and are presently using 084 numbers. I will continue to expect opposition to this position from many quarters.

I would also suggest that one, potentially the best, way of understanding why a surgery has three working telephone numbers is to ask the Practice Manager. I can however understand why those who feel that they are engaged in a war against a deceitful and wicked enemy would not wish to engage with them nor grant any credence whatsoever to any statement they make.
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Reply #23 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 11:14pm
 
Last week I had to phone a Company in Gernsey on an 0800 number and was amazed to find a queuing system of upto 10 after I got to Dept I wanted - the second time I went on at 5th position and was 1 in ten minutes - But my main point is its 0800 which is FREE from landlines and I have heard that if you leave off the 0 of 0800 on mobiles it connects but have not tried it - no mobile !!!  - I am not quite in 21st Centuary  Wink
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Reply #24 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 8:42am
 
speedy wrote on Jul 10th, 2011 at 11:14pm:
Last week I had to phone a Company in Gernsey on an 0800 number and was amazed to find a queuing system of upto 10 after I got to Dept I wanted - the second time I went on at 5th position and was 1 in ten minutes - But my main point is its 0800 which is FREE from landlines and I have heard that if you leave off the 0 of 0800 on mobiles it connects but have not tried it - no mobile !!!  - I am not quite in 21st Centuary  Wink

Mobile providers should give an announcement on 0800 (and 0808/0500) calls where calls aren't free.

I believe that with O2 mobiles, callers should leave off the leading zero. This therefore means that they aren't "0800" numbers, but "800" ones, so I believe (and perhaps someone can clarify because I'm a bit unsure on this) they don't have to give the message. Is this right?
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Reply #25 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:14am
 
Is this right? 0800 and 0500 numbers with o2 are 'free'?


http://service.o2.co.uk/IQ/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=Companion,question=ref...
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Re: Surgeries saying no to 0844!
Reply #26 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:16am
 
sherbert wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:14am:
Is this right? 0800 and 0500 numbers with o2 are 'free'?


http://service.o2.co.uk/IQ/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=Companion,question=ref...

This question relates to the O2 Homephone service.
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Reply #27 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:18am
 
Dave wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:16am:
sherbert wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:14am:
Is this right? 0800 and 0500 numbers with o2 are 'free'?


http://service.o2.co.uk/IQ/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=Companion,question=ref...

This question relates to the O2 Homephone service.



Thanks Dave, sorry for being such a prat Embarrassed
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Reply #28 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 10:30pm
 
Two more surgeries SAY NO TO 0844 in Berkshire !!   Smiley Cheesy Cheesy

Parkside Practice of Green Road, Reading and the Woodley Park Surgery, Headley Road, Woodley have abandoned 0844 and
changed to 0118 926 0026

Woodley Centre Surgery of Headley Road have abandoned 0844 and changed to 0118 969 7307

and their Westfield Surgery in Winnersh have abandoned 0844 and changed to 0118 978 3349



http://www.parksidefamilypractice.org.uk/

http://www.nhs.uk/servicedirectories/pages/GP.aspx?Pid=14f8b449-24f4-43b6-a721-9...
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Dr Cakebread & Partners says no to 0844!
Reply #29 - Jul 24th, 2011 at 9:03am
 
Dr Cakebread and Partners at Shefford Health Centre has abandoned its 0844 894 4000 number in favour of 01462 810034:

NHS Bedfordshire: 22 July 2011 : Dr Cakebread and Partners to get ‘local code’ phone number
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