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allegro Senior Member Offline Posts: 335	Re: How to spot 07XXX NGNs as against std. Mobiles Reply #30 - Jun 28^th, 2017 at 6:13am An excellent summary of the dark corners of UK phone charges. But why on earth has it taken Ofcom so long to deal with obvious abuses such as 070, let alone 084 and 087.
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Dave Global Moderator Offline Posts: 9,902 Yorkshire Gender:	Re: How to spot 07XXX NGNs as against std. Mobiles Reply #31 - Jun 30^th, 2017 at 11:31am Ian01 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 7:49pm: … condense the various mobile porting codes into the 0760xx ranges. What's a mobile porting code? And don't say "It's a code for porting mobiles". How does it work? Is it a temporary thing, whilst porting is taking place?
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Reply #32 - Jun 30^th, 2017 at 3:22pm

Dave wrote on Jun 30^th, 2017 at 11:31am:

Ian01 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

… condense the various mobile porting codes into the 0760xx ranges.

What's a mobile porting code? And don't say "It's a code for porting mobiles". How does it work? Is it a temporary thing, whilst porting is taking place?

See Ofcom's MPC file: http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/numbering/#mpc

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Reply #33 - Jul 1^st, 2017 at 5:15am

Is that a historic document? It also contans the the following incorrect info for 08 ranges:

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BT’s Standard Local Call Retail Price for BT customers (0845 XXX ranges)
BT’s Standard National Call Retail Price for BT customers (0870 XXX ranges)
Up to 5p - non internet (ranges 0844 2XX to 0844 9XX)
Up to 10p - non-internet (ranges 0871 2XX to 0871 9XX)

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Ian01 Supreme Member Offline Posts: 767	Re: How to spot 07XXX NGNs as against std. Mobiles Reply #34 - Jul 1^st, 2017 at 10:40am That particular page is static. I am told a new version is awaiting publication. The XLS files detailed on that page are updated weekly. The last line of each XLS file shows the date and time of update.
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Heinz Supreme Member Offline Posts: 1,362 Essex	Re: How to spot 07XXX NGNs as against std. Mobiles Reply #35 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 4:19pm I wonder why the use of the 06 range (earmarked by Ofcom so many years ago as a new home for 070 numbers) has not been implemented yet? It appears it'd be a simple change with great benefits for the 'citizen consumer' (Ofcom's No.1 priority, they tell us).
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Reply #36 - Jul 28^th, 2017 at 9:50pm

I think the time is long past where there is a need for a range of numbers charged at premium rates, with non-transparent call charges, and where all of the additional call-handling and call-forwarding charges are loaded on to the caller. As call-forwarding is available on all other number ranges, the simplest thing would be for the 070 number range to be withdrawn from use.

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Reply #37 - Feb 18^th, 2018 at 8:40pm

Ofcom marches on with their reviews. Their latest consultation covering 070 numbers proposes placing a cap on termination rates at the same level as the termination rate charged on calls to UK mobile numbers. This would allow these calls to become inclusive in allowances on landlines and on mobiles in the same way as calls to UK mobile numbers. Call-forwarding costs inherent in the use of 070 numbers will no longer be borne by the caller, they will be borne by the called party. This will introduce proper competition between providers of these services.

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Reply #38 - Aug 20^th, 2019 at 10:08am

Ian01 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Ofcom marches on with their reviews. Their latest consultation covering 070 numbers proposes placing a cap on termination rates at the same level as the termination rate charged on calls to UK mobile numbers. This would allow these calls to become inclusive in allowances on landlines and on mobiles in the same way as calls to UK mobile numbers. Call-forwarding costs inherent in the use of 070 numbers will no longer be borne by the caller, they will be borne by the called party. This will introduce proper competition between providers of these services

But the point is that no 070 number has ever been used for anything other than a deliberately and criminally malfeasant purpose by the very dodgiest of companies and that all of the follow me features are available far more cheaply at zero cost for the call maker and call recipient via geographic Voip numbers issued by companies like www.sipgate.co.uk so OFCON should never have allowed the abusive 070 number range to continue after their very first consultation in to the matter when they also (at the last minute and after commercial pressure from one of the largest abusers of these numbers) ignored their own proposals to split these numbers off in to their own clearly and separately labelled number range.........

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Ian01 Supreme Member Offline Posts: 767	Re: How to spot 07XXX NGNs as against std. Mobiles Reply #39 - Aug 20^th, 2019 at 12:45pm Whatever the history, the cap on termination rates for calls to 070 numbers takes effect on 1 October 2019. This should see the end to Wangiri and identity fraud scams on this number range.
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Reply #40 - Aug 20^th, 2019 at 2:42pm

Ian01 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 12:45pm:

Whatever the history, the cap on termination rates for calls to 070 numbers takes effect on 1 October 2019.

Ofcom chickened out of their previous proposals many years earlier to move the 070 number range on to 06 after last minute pressure from Flextel and others that they would lose too much money.

And in order to hide this I see they have now removed that consultation and my then response to it from their website....................

As my other responses of many years ago to Ofcom such as this one at https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/29512/shersby.pdf still survive on their website I would suggest that my 070 consultation response of that time period has been removed quite deliberately to hide Ofcom's past misdeeds...........

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