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Reply #45 - May 30th, 2015 at 7:44am
 
nicholas43 wrote on May 30th, 2015 at 6:48am:
… it would be madness for EE to include the service element. …

There can only be one Access Charge per tariff - which must apply to all calls to 084/087/09/118 numbers. Ranges cannot be treated differently by call originators. This principle holds, but sadly only in respect of the Access Charge itself.

After heavy lobbying from the telcos, Ofcom reluctantly agreed to permit them to treat ranges differently, but only where the total call cost (Access Charge + Service Charge) is inclusive for certain ranges.

We had hoped to win the argument that it is fundamentally unfair for the Service Charge to be paid by anyone other than those who call the organisation that imposes it. Sadly, those telcos who rely on the revenue from the Service Charge (as providers of phone services to businesses) have a sufficient commercial interest and the necessary breadth of power to dilute its effect. Sadly, neither the fair telecoms campaign nor Ofcom win every battle that we fight - even when on the same side.
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Reply #46 - May 30th, 2015 at 4:16pm
 
SilentCallsVictim wrote on May 30th, 2015 at 7:44am:
We had hoped to win the argument that it is fundamentally unfair for the Service Charge to be paid by anyone other than those who call the organisation that imposes it. Sadly, those telcos who rely on the revenue from the Service Charge (as providers of phone services to businesses) have a sufficient commercial interest and the necessary breadth of power to dilute its effect. Sadly, neither the fair telecoms campaign nor Ofcom win every battle that we fight - even when on the same side.

But condition 14.9 says (if I have found the correct final version) that Providers must make clear
(b) whether calls to Unbundled Tariff Numbers are included within bundles of inclusive calls or inclusive call minutes purchased by Consumers from the Communications Provider, specifying in particular:
(i) the Unbundled Tariff Numbers to which the terms of the bundle apply;
(ii) if relevant, the number of call minutes to Unbundled Tariff Numbers that are so included;
(iii) if relevant, whether the inclusion of calls to Unbundled Tariff Numbers is conditional upon the time or day of the call; and
(iv) whether [my italics] any special offers, discount schemes or call bundling arrangements apply to the Service Charges payable in respect of the call minutes or calls to Unbundled Tariff Numbers that are so included.
So can't they say that the bundling does not apply to the Service Charges?
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Reply #47 - May 31st, 2015 at 10:33am
 

ASDA Mobile has recently announced their Access Charge will be 8p per minute.
https://mobile.asda.com/pages/services
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Reply #48 - Jun 1st, 2015 at 2:44pm
 

SSE / SWALEC has recently announced their Access Charge will be 6.9p per minute.
https://www.swalec.co.uk/PhoneAndBroadband/Prices/PriceUpdates/

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Reply #49 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 8:40am
 
We now have an email from EE stating that
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Our records show that you're registered to our anytime package, therefore, the coming increase does not effect [sic] you, as calls to 084 and 087 are free in your package.

Currently it is, of course, only 0845 and 0870 calls which are included. Any guesses on what EE really intend from 1 July 2015? Just including 084 would be silly, but not crazy. Including just 0870 wouldn't hurt much now, because there's been a flight from 0870. From 1 July, including both access and service charges to 0870 (and 0871 and 0872?) still seems madness, to me.
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You'll be billed extra for any 118 call you make, as these calls are charged by 118 themselves and not us.

The writer appears to be unaware that there are lots of different 118 sharks of varying rapacity, and that there will also be service charges on 084 and 087 numbers, equally not set by EE.
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Reply #50 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 12:21pm
 

giffgaff has recently announced their Access Charge will be 15p per minute.
http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Announcements/Changes-to-service-number-chargin...

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Reply #51 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 1:24pm
 

Tesco Mobile has recently announced their Access Charge will be 15p per minute.
http://www.tescomobile.com/help-and-support/1082-pay-as-you-go/1091-tariffs/uk-c...
http://www.tescomobile.com/help-and-support/1082-pay-as-you-go/1182-call-charges...

Soon after announcing the charge, the notification was withdrawn: https://archive.is/CChuP
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Reply #52 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 12:29am
 

Three has recently announced their Access Charge will be 25p per minute.
http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBISAPI.DLL?Command=New,Kb=Mobile,Ts=Mo...


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Reply #53 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 12:42am
 

The Phone Coop has recently announced their Access Charge will be 7.2p per minute from a landline and 21p per minute from a mobile.
http://www.thephone.coop/support/uk-calling-faq/

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Reply #54 - Jun 4th, 2015 at 5:55pm
 

Having previously announced that their Access Charge will be 23p per minute, Vodafone have since announced that from 10 August 2015 it will be 45p per minute.
https://www.vodafone.co.uk/explore/costs/call-charges/index.htm
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Reply #55 - Jun 7th, 2015 at 9:34pm
 

Virgin Media has recently announced their Access Charge will be 10.25p per minute from a landline and 36p per minute from a mobile.
https://my.virginmedia.com/customer-news/articles/servicenumbers.html
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Reply #56 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 12:28pm
 

Tesco Mobile has recently announced their Access Charge will be 25p per minute.
http://www.tescomobile.com/help-and-support/1082-pay-as-you-go/1091-tariffs/uk-c...

This replaces the previous announcement which was withdrawn within hours of being made.

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Reply #57 - Jun 8th, 2015 at 7:14pm
 

Zen's Access Charge may be 8p per minute. Awaiting confirmation.

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Reply #58 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 1:02pm
 
Is anyone maintaining a unified list of all access charges? Must admit I'm horrified (but perhaps not so surprised) to see how high they are!
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Reply #59 - Jun 9th, 2015 at 1:15pm
 

This thread details Access Charges as they are published on the web by the individual telecoms providers.

Half a dozen other sites have published simple lists of these charges. Whether they will keep them up to date, or not, remains to be seen.

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