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Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:15am
 
1 July 2015 is rapidly approaching. Many business telecoms providers have declared their Service Charges. Retail telecoms providers have yet to declare their Access Charges (there's a separate thread for that).

A number of myths are beginning to start up, mostly based on misunderstandings and misreadings of Ofcom's extensive documentation.

Feel free to add to this list if you discover others...
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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:16am
 
On 1 July 2015, calls to 080 numbers (but NOT to 0500 numbers) will become free from all mobile phones.

Several NGN supplier websites and various blogs have mentioned that calls to 0500 numbers will become free from mobiles on 1 July 2015. This is of course incorrect.

It is possible that some mobile providers will make 0500 numbers free to call, some already have, but this is by no means guaranteed to happen.
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Reply #2 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:17am
 
Several NGN supplier websites and various blogs have mentioned that the new call charging system for 084, 087 and 09 numbers requires an announcement of the Service Charge at the start of the call.
 
There is no such requirement. I am guessing this misunderstanding is simply a misinterpretation of the words "declare the service charge" in Ofcom's "final statement" on implementing the unbundled tariff.
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Reply #3 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:19am
 
At least one telecoms provider asserts that various 084 and 087 number ranges with a zero Service Charge (e.g. 0843 418, 0844 214, 0845 215, 0870 144, etc) are "freecall" ranges, the same as 0800, 0808, 111, 112 and 116.
 
This is incorrect. These 084 and 087 calls are not "free". The caller still has to pay the Access Charge.
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Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:23am
 
Even after declaring that calls to their 0845 number (or in some cases 0843 or 0844 number) incur a Service Charge, there are many sites that still claim that the call is "local rate".

There hasn't been a distinct "local rate" charge since 2004. From 1 July 2015, calls to 084 and 087 numbers will have a declared Access Charge and a declared Service Charge.

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Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:25am
 
A number of websites claim their 0870 number is a "national rate" call. This is already a dubious claim.

Once the Access Charge plus Service Charge system is in place, no such claim can be made.
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Reply #6 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 10:31am
 
From 1 July 2015, all service providers using 084, 087 and 09 numbers must declare their Service Charge wherever their number is shown. This applies to advertising, websites, brochures, press releases, etc. There are no exceptions.

From the same date, all retail landline and mobile providers must charge calls to these numbers using the Access Charge plus Service Charge system.

Telecoms suppliers who provide landlines and mobiles to business users do NOT have to charge calls to 084, 087 and 09 numbers using the "unbundled tariff" system.

At least one telecoms supplier is telling their business customers that if they only supply to other businesses that there is no requirement for them to declare the Service Charge. This is not true. All users of 084, 087 and 09 numbers must declare the Service Charge for their numbers.
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Reply #7 - Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:39pm
 
Good points.

With reference to the point about numbers with zero Service Charge, what is the point in this being allowed? Why not use a 03 number instead?  Huh
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Reply #8 - Apr 28th, 2015 at 10:16am
 
Dave wrote on Apr 23rd, 2015 at 7:39pm:
With reference to the point about numbers with zero Service Charge, what is the point in this being allowed? Why not use a 03 number instead?  Huh

Good question. There seems no sensible reason for having a zero Service Charge. Maybe one of the small number of providers that have these would care to explain their reasoning?
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Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2015 at 10:20am
 

EE have told their customers that the changes affect "numbers starting 09, 118, 0843, 08434, 08435, 0871, 0872".

The correct list is 0843, 0844, 0845, 0870, 0871, 0872, 0873, 090, 091, 098 and 118.
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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2015 at 10:22am
 

Various providers are saying these numbers are "typically used for banks, utility companies, customer helplines, government departments", but in reality this is no longer the case.

Various changes in regulation and guidance over the last 18 months or so means that those services mainly use 03 numbers these days. A small number may use 01, 02 or 080 numbers.
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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2015 at 10:23am
 

Virgin Media are telling their customers that these numbers "will be known as Non Geographic Numbers (not service numbers) to align with the rest of the industry".

As these numbers impose a Service Charge on callers, Ofcom rightly refers to these as Service Numbers all the way through the UK Calling publicity material.
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Reply #12 - Jun 1st, 2015 at 2:22pm
 

Suppliers of non-geographic numbers are now communicating the respective Service Charges that their customers, the users of these numbers, will have to display on their websites and everywhere else that their numbers are advertised.

The Service Charge rates must be stated including VAT. Unfortunately, several of the suppliers of these numbers are communicating the ex-VAT rates leading to a number of websites declaring that their Service Charge will be, e.g., 5.8p per minute.


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Reply #13 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 9:09am
 

EE are emailing their customers who are on inclusive call plans. The message includes this detail:
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You'll be billed extra for any 118 call you make, as these calls are charged by 118 themselves and not us.

This fails to recognise that EE will impose an Access Charge alongside the Service Charge imposed by the DQ service.
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Reply #14 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 6:46pm
 
FROM OFCOM ukcalling.info
From 1 July 2015, the cost of calling service numbers will be made up of two parts:
  • An access charge: This part of the call charge goes to your phone company, charged as pence per minute. They will tell you how much the access charge will be for calls to service numbers. It will be made clear on bills and when you take out a contract.
       
  • A service charge: This is the rest of the call charge. The organisation you are calling decides this, and will tell you how much it is.

  • What is a 'service number' ?
    Domestic, non-domestic, a doctor, HMRC, the Jobcentre, a bank, Ofcom ??
  • Why is the 'access charge' priced per minute? If I pay my phone company to access a service, I dont expect to pay to my phone company again for 'access', for every minute I use the 'service'.
    eg if its £5 to the film makers and £5 to access the cinema (of my £10 cinema film ticket) to cover cinema wages and running costs, I dont expect to pay more to the cinema if my film is 110 minutes long vs a 90 minute length?


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