NGMsGhost wrote on Feb 2
nd, 2018 at 2:41am:
Why does it matter whether the continue use of 084/7 is legitimate or not? Surely ASA rules still require the call cost to be correctly described so the caller is not wrongly led to believe it is part of their inclusive calling allowance?
It would seem to be a waste of effort asking a business to add call charge information to a number that they should no longer be using. Instead, campaigning efforts are best directed at getting them to change the number.
NGMsGhost wrote on Feb 2
nd, 2018 at 2:41am:
Also my understanding was that the operators of these numbers had to disclose the Service Charge and per minute charge for calling these numbers?
Users of these numbers must state the Service Charge and mention that the caller's phone provider will add an Access Charge.
The Service Charge may be a per-call charge, a per-minute rate or a combination of both. Where a per-minute rate is included, it is charged per-second.
The Access Charge is always a per-minute rate, but is usually charged per-second after the first 60 seconds. Per-call connection fees, to the benefit of the caller's phone provider, are not permitted on calls to 084, 087, 09 or 118 numbers.
NGMsGhost wrote on Feb 2
nd, 2018 at 2:41am:
I see BT is now up to 13p per minute for calling 0845 in the weekday daytime.
BT's Access Charge for calls to 084, 087, 09 and 118 numbers is 13p per minute at all times. There is no variation by time of day or day of week. However, Ofcom has allowed BT to retain calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers within inclusive allowances. In those cases, the Access Charge and Service Charge are waived even though the called party's phone provider still has to be paid.
EE's landline Access Charge is 13.5p per minute. Vodafone and O2 have set their Access Charge at 55p per minute.
On top of this, the caller pays a Service Charge that benefits the called party and their telecoms provider. The Service Charge varies according to the telephone number called.
Unlimited Anytime calls to UK landline numbers starting 01 and 02, non-geographic numbers starting 03 and premium rate numbers starting 0845 and 0870 costs around £9 per month with BT. For similar money other landline providers also include calls to UK mobile numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079. However, most of those other providers no longer offer inclusive calls to premium rate 0845 or 0870 numbers.
NGMsGhost wrote on Feb 2
nd, 2018 at 2:41am:
Yet weak as water OFCON does precisely nothing to clamp down on these scam charging rates (noting that some how BT affords to carry calls to this same number for free in the evening and at the weekend).
BT is the largest supplier of 0845 and 0870 numbers to businesses. When a call is made from another landline or mobile provider to one of the numbers controlled by BT, BT receives the Service Charge revenue paid by the caller. When a BT retail customer makes a call to an 0845 or 0870 number controlled by another telecoms provider, BT has to pay out Service Charge revenue to that other provider. The former happens vastly more than the latter. The difference in revenues allows BT to offer inclusive calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers for their retail customers. This is an anomaly in the market, one that will not persist. Other retail providers have, in the main, decided to not include calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers within allowances. And, as there is no single dominant provider of other 084 or 087 numbers no-one includes these within allowances.
Given that usage of 084 and 087 numbers is now banned for most purposes, there should be almost no need to ever call them.
NGMsGhost wrote on Feb 2
nd, 2018 at 2:41am:
The solution is for OFCON to simply ban these number ranges from use at all but of course the pathetically weak OFCON won't get round to that for another 10 years................
On 13 June 2014, BIS banned retailers, traders and passenger transport companies from using 084, 087 or 09 numbers for after-sales enquiries and issues.
On 26 October 2015, the FCA extended the regulations to cover banks, card companies and insurers.
On 26 December 2013, the Cabinet Office effectively banned government departments, their agencies and other public services from using 084, 087 or 09 numbers.
Ofcom could not institute such bans as they regulate suppliers of telecoms services, not users of such services.
Ofcom's part in all of this was to separate out the distinct components of these call charges making clear that callers pay both their phone provider for the call and an additional, or premium, charge to the benefit of the called party and their telecoms provider. This has slowed the sale of such numbers to businesses as it is now clear that (notwithstanding the anomaly with BT retail tariffs for calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers) callers pay more to call 084, 087 and 09 numbers than to call an 01, 02 or 03 number.